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	<title>Comments on: Ivanov Ties Record in Nuremburg</title>
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		<title>By: René Kist</title>
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		<dc:creator>René Kist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the Dutch POV: it was undoubtedly an ugly match. The fouls were harsh and I found very few yellow/red cards to be honestly unjust. Even though I have as much contempt for C. Ronaldo as the next guy, seeing him get injured by Boulahrouz like he was made me think one card more would have been in order.

So what can we do to avoid these ugly matches in the future? First of all, apparently neither team was confident that their soccer skills would bring them victory, hence they resorted to violence. I think the ref should have had a word with v. Bommel before showing him a card. But players and coaches are not stupid: they know the rules and when they choose to ignore them after already receiving 14 cards, it serves them right to receive yet another one. Perhaps coaches or famous players can insist more on fair play?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Dutch POV: it was undoubtedly an ugly match. The fouls were harsh and I found very few yellow/red cards to be honestly unjust. Even though I have as much contempt for C. Ronaldo as the next guy, seeing him get injured by Boulahrouz like he was made me think one card more would have been in order.</p>
<p>So what can we do to avoid these ugly matches in the future? First of all, apparently neither team was confident that their soccer skills would bring them victory, hence they resorted to violence. I think the ref should have had a word with v. Bommel before showing him a card. But players and coaches are not stupid: they know the rules and when they choose to ignore them after already receiving 14 cards, it serves them right to receive yet another one. Perhaps coaches or famous players can insist more on fair play?</p>
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		<title>By: Massimo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Massimo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 17:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude,
These referees suck donkey balls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude,<br />
These referees suck donkey balls.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been pointed out already, but the referee does not have the power to halt the game and redo a perfectly performed drop ball.  The players are responsible for sporting behavior, not the referee.  It was a terrible but nonillegal thing that Heitinga did.

John Harkes here in the US pointed out whether or not Ivanov was fluent enough to communicate with the Dutch and Portuguese players.  That&#039;s a good point.  The refs were all supposed to know English, but that didn&#039;t necessarily make him comfortable communicating with people in Dutch and Portuguese.  I agree he shuld have done a better job communicating with the players using methods other than flashing cards.  But he may not have felt comfortable using verbal communication with teams from countries that have very challenging languages to learn...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been pointed out already, but the referee does not have the power to halt the game and redo a perfectly performed drop ball.  The players are responsible for sporting behavior, not the referee.  It was a terrible but nonillegal thing that Heitinga did.</p>
<p>John Harkes here in the US pointed out whether or not Ivanov was fluent enough to communicate with the Dutch and Portuguese players.  That&#8217;s a good point.  The refs were all supposed to know English, but that didn&#8217;t necessarily make him comfortable communicating with people in Dutch and Portuguese.  I agree he shuld have done a better job communicating with the players using methods other than flashing cards.  But he may not have felt comfortable using verbal communication with teams from countries that have very challenging languages to learn&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pedro P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite honestly, I think this post should be on the main blog.

I&#039;m a huge POR fan, was also a dutch football &quot;friend&quot;, as I live in HOL, have dutch friends and both teams play quite good and attractive football.

This was nasty and it disgusted me how it all went, mostly from the dutch and dutch TV and etc, to build up a wrong image of my country, that&#039;ll of course be used by all enemies - Parreira, BRA&#039;s coach, is already commenting/thriving on it.

But I think you hit the nail, virtually in all the situations the &quot;game&quot; presented, as I remember them, Aaron.

For the sake of honesty, I thank you. 

I wish Colina, Anders Frisk, Sandor Pull (remember him?) and other friends would be there... I really do. Those guys didn&#039;t need earphones to see what was going on, nor to show cards to get a grip on things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite honestly, I think this post should be on the main blog.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a huge POR fan, was also a dutch football &#8220;friend&#8221;, as I live in HOL, have dutch friends and both teams play quite good and attractive football.</p>
<p>This was nasty and it disgusted me how it all went, mostly from the dutch and dutch TV and etc, to build up a wrong image of my country, that&#8217;ll of course be used by all enemies &#8211; Parreira, BRA&#8217;s coach, is already commenting/thriving on it.</p>
<p>But I think you hit the nail, virtually in all the situations the &#8220;game&#8221; presented, as I remember them, Aaron.</p>
<p>For the sake of honesty, I thank you. </p>
<p>I wish Colina, Anders Frisk, Sandor Pull (remember him?) and other friends would be there&#8230; I really do. Those guys didn&#8217;t need earphones to see what was going on, nor to show cards to get a grip on things.</p>
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		<title>By: João Pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>João Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 02:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to everyone know, Cristiano Ronaldo is injuried and, maybe he&#039;s not going to play against England, why, because Van Basten ordered his players to kick Ronaldo out of the match...
The referee, he killed the game, it wasn&#039;t the players, Portugal in almost 4 years (playing the qualification to the World Cup and the Euro 2004) had never got a player out with red card.
Go Portugal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to everyone know, Cristiano Ronaldo is injuried and, maybe he&#8217;s not going to play against England, why, because Van Basten ordered his players to kick Ronaldo out of the match&#8230;<br />
The referee, he killed the game, it wasn&#8217;t the players, Portugal in almost 4 years (playing the qualification to the World Cup and the Euro 2004) had never got a player out with red card.<br />
Go Portugal</p>
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		<title>By: B Rad</title>
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		<dc:creator>B Rad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree...Kaiser Sousa is absolutely right.  This all started when the Dutch inflicked two intentional red card deserving fouls on Ronaldo.  Many of the world superstars are marked men...it is the refs job to be on the look out for head hunters (or in this case &#039;thigh hunters&#039;).  All heck broke out as a result of the ref missing those calls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree&#8230;Kaiser Sousa is absolutely right.  This all started when the Dutch inflicked two intentional red card deserving fouls on Ronaldo.  Many of the world superstars are marked men&#8230;it is the refs job to be on the look out for head hunters (or in this case &#8216;thigh hunters&#8217;).  All heck broke out as a result of the ref missing those calls.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I blame the players first.  They didn&#039;t seem to care how many cards game or how many would be thrown out.  How do you possibly control a game when the players don&#039;t give a shit?

Ivanov could have been much harsher.  Cocu should have been thrown out with Deco, but somehow throwing a guy down isn&#039;t punishable?  Blame the players 1st, managers 2nd, Ref 3rd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blame the players first.  They didn&#8217;t seem to care how many cards game or how many would be thrown out.  How do you possibly control a game when the players don&#8217;t give a shit?</p>
<p>Ivanov could have been much harsher.  Cocu should have been thrown out with Deco, but somehow throwing a guy down isn&#8217;t punishable?  Blame the players 1st, managers 2nd, Ref 3rd.</p>
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		<title>By: AE</title>
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		<dc:creator>AE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the DUAL - REFEREE Advocates:

Are you crazy ? At this level the play is far two quick, holding, grabbing too sly for the referee to do three things:

Watch the ball, look for fouls

Watch the offside play develop
at ther same time

Run like hell to the goal line to chase down the play to see if the ball has left the field of play.

You need to understand just how fast this game is at this level!


The dual referee system may work in youth setting but it will never work in professional 
games.

MAybe FIFA need to see if they should review the game and sanction players for their actions during a game where unusually unacceptable behavior is exhibited. 

As for the notion that this is a terrible way to showcase the sport to youth, the reality is that this is one step short of war. The gravitiy of loss by a ntional team has far reaching consequences to the players and their national pride and internal organization.

The fairytale part of soccer should be left on the U-14 soccer field.

Just look at USA pro sports and the behavior exhibited on TV. It is shameful but it sells, and who is complaining ? The media loves it, thrives on it 
and if they could would find a way to provoke it.Players are fined a small fee and it continues.

The sport has to police itself.
It starts with co-operation of the players not the enforcement
by the referees.Poor attitudes 
usually result in poor games for
the spectators.

AE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the DUAL &#8211; REFEREE Advocates:</p>
<p>Are you crazy ? At this level the play is far two quick, holding, grabbing too sly for the referee to do three things:</p>
<p>Watch the ball, look for fouls</p>
<p>Watch the offside play develop<br />
at ther same time</p>
<p>Run like hell to the goal line to chase down the play to see if the ball has left the field of play.</p>
<p>You need to understand just how fast this game is at this level!</p>
<p>The dual referee system may work in youth setting but it will never work in professional<br />
games.</p>
<p>MAybe FIFA need to see if they should review the game and sanction players for their actions during a game where unusually unacceptable behavior is exhibited. </p>
<p>As for the notion that this is a terrible way to showcase the sport to youth, the reality is that this is one step short of war. The gravitiy of loss by a ntional team has far reaching consequences to the players and their national pride and internal organization.</p>
<p>The fairytale part of soccer should be left on the U-14 soccer field.</p>
<p>Just look at USA pro sports and the behavior exhibited on TV. It is shameful but it sells, and who is complaining ? The media loves it, thrives on it<br />
and if they could would find a way to provoke it.Players are fined a small fee and it continues.</p>
<p>The sport has to police itself.<br />
It starts with co-operation of the players not the enforcement<br />
by the referees.Poor attitudes<br />
usually result in poor games for<br />
the spectators.</p>
<p>AE</p>
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		<title>By: PureMuscle</title>
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		<dc:creator>PureMuscle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you guys hear. Figo will not recieve a suspension or anything for the headbutt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you guys hear. Figo will not recieve a suspension or anything for the headbutt.</p>
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		<title>By: Troglodyte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troglodyte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The situation clearly overwhelmed the “One-Ref-in-the-Middle” System–just look how many times foul play or violent conduct occurred out of his sight.&quot;

I think it&#039;s pretty clear that it was the Dutch who overwhelmed the system. 

When players aren&#039;t even loosely interested in fair play what is ref to do? Cancel the game?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The situation clearly overwhelmed the “One-Ref-in-the-Middle” System–just look how many times foul play or violent conduct occurred out of his sight.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s pretty clear that it was the Dutch who overwhelmed the system. </p>
<p>When players aren&#8217;t even loosely interested in fair play what is ref to do? Cancel the game?</p>
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